strabo writes:
> No One wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza writes:
>>
>>> clouddreamer wrote:
>>>> Michael Ejercito wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 6, 8:25 pm, Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:52:30 +0000, Californians With Common Sense
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proposition 8 is irrelevant. No law trumps the 14th Amendment.
>>>>> We all know that those fourteenth amendment authors were REALLY
>>>>> after legal recognition of same-. "marriage", RIGHT?
>>>>
>>>> The 14th amendment gives "equal protection under the law to all persons."
>>>>
>>>> Nothing about "all persons except homo.uals."
>>> And the marriage laws specifying marriage to be between a man and a
>>> woman do not discriminate against queers as queers _per se_. There is
>>> no equal protection violation.
>>
>> Not true - they made the same argument against interracial marriages
>> and that argument failed.
>>
>
> First, in the beginning there was no marriage license. People were
> married in churches or through local civil ceremonies.
People were married before there were any churches. Look at
or
for examples.
Sometimes there was no ceremony at all.
>
> Second, the states invented the marriage license and successfully used
> this as a means of preventing cohabitation and procreation by the
> diseased, the insane and mixed races. It was a part of the Progressive's
> eugenics movement.
The states "invented" marriage licenses when it became important to
have a public record.
>
> Third, a marriage license is a state grant to do what one can do by
> right. In other words, it isn't necessary to marry. However, there is
> no individual right to force a state to give such a grant.
Not true. Otherwise the Supreme Court would not have declared bans
on interracial marriages to be illegal.
> Refusal to grant an interracial marriage was based on color which the
> 14th A. suggests is prohibited. After all the 14th was a desperate
> federal government's attempt to legally assimilate ex-slaves among the
> states.
>
> The 14th is silent on the issue of homo.uality.
The 14th amendment is "silent" on race - that word nor any synonym
does not appear in it.
> Now go do something important like figuring out what you're
> going to do when the dollar is devalued to zero.
It would be less likely to be devalued to zero if we didn't waste
something like 70 million dollars on attempts by the Talibush to
turn the U.S. into a theocracy. |
